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Fool Blog: An Open Letter to Somali Pirates

Seeded on Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:53 AM EST
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Brilliant piece by Joe "Jolly Roger" Magyer!

    Reply#1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:53 AM EST
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    Jim-373311

    Once the tanker is repatriated, all the pirates should be hung from it's deck railings for all the world to see.

      Reply#2 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:35 AM EST
      clovis 99

      Here's the chance for Blackwater security to expand their faltering prospects in Iraq. Provide armed escorts and enough guards for every ship going through the Gulf of Aden with enough firepower to sink any pirate attack vessel.  At least they wouldn't have to worry about shooting innocent bystanders caught in a crossfire.

        Reply#3 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:49 AM EST
        Roland-320510

        Great open letter.  Unfortunately, the weak stomached Saudi's are going to negotiate with the prirates and this will not become the rallying point for the rest of the world to finally say that enough is enough.  

        If the pirates harm the hostages, that may very well push everything beyond the breaking point.  If they were smart about it, now that they are in port, letting the hostages go now would be in the pirates best interest.  If nothing else it would take some of the fury away from those, myself included, who advocate the wholesale killing of the pirates. 

          Reply#4 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM EST
          oldefarte

          The Saudis are constrained, as well, by the fact that these pirates are also co-religionists who are sharing wealth with an Islamic insurgency supported by the Wahhabists who also control Saudi Arabia.  Put simply, the Saudis will cough the cash and tack it onto your and my oil bills.  Then they'll pipe up in the U.N. and call for "restraint" when dealing with the pirates.  Don't believe me?  Just watch. 

          The Chinese are horrifically dependent on these oil shipments out of the Gulf, but they have vetoed every attempt, in the U.N., to drop the hammer on these two-bit pirates because of fear that some other nation (esp. the U.S.) might use the pretext of anti-piracy action to insert itself into the Horn of Africa, where the Chinese are determined to snag a foothold. 

          Like piracy always has, this piracy acts within the interstices allowed by larger geo-political concerns and issues.  The "Pirates of the Caribbean" succeeded because the English, French and Dutch found it useful to protect them and their depredations on Spanish shipping.  Without that protection, the Spaniards would have rapidly run them to ground and Disney would be missing a ride at its theme parks.  Ditto the Barbary Pirates - the piddling and infant US Navy destroyed them with a handful of frigates and Marines, while the French and British and Spanish Navies, all possessed of numerous single ships each mounting more guns than the entire U.S. Navy, did nothing, because they found some advantage, esp. during the Napoleonic War, to allowing the pirates to harass their enemies.

          SO, don't look to international action to deal with the problem.  Folks like "Blackwater" are the only answer and that means that the Shells and Exxons and BP's are gonna have to start posting protection on these ships and authorizing the use of all possible force, at which point the pirates will go back to attacking fishermen and yachters. 

            #4.1 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:48 PM EST
            kikaiju

            The oil companies cannot just hire Blackwater, 3WA, Crushers or whomever to provide armed coverage on their tankers.  

            The problem is that armed private citizens, contractors, ship crews, etc would be arrested and thrown in prison at the first port of call.   Especially if the ports know the incoming ships are armed, you'll have "inspectors" doing their best to bust the crews and lock them up.     Afterall, "we cannot have a boat with a heavily armed crew on it!" has been one of the excuses used for cracking down on piracy. 

            You can be sure some countries would be thrilled to get the chance to arrest and hassle crews.  Mexican police for one.  The rules about guns are poorly enforced on Mexicans but god forbid somebody comes to port in a cargo ship with even a single bullet in their luggage.  All hell breaks loose.  A crew carrying RPGs or AKs for defense?  The Mexican cops would put that crew so far under the jail, they'd never see the sun again.  

            Hell, some countries' police forces are in fact the pirates.  Put on the uniform, go enforce the laws.  Take off the uniform, go break the laws and rob ships.  Happens all the time.

            Even if you get a cop who is not also a pirate, cash payments to look the other way  would be required and that's just piracy of another form: extortion.

            The only way this could work would be to provide mercenary cover that ends at the territorial waters, which means the pirates just have to wait for the target ships to cross the boundary and it's business as usual.  Is that an effective solution?   Even in international waters, I am not sure mercenary ships would be tolerated by the international policing navies.   Who would want to find out if the Russian Navy would say hello or open fire?

            Ok suppose all that is resolved and a Shell manages to put armed security on their tankers.  The family of the first pirate they kill is going to sue them for more money than Shell is worth.   They won't win but it will be a hassle and drag Shell's name through the mud for years.   Big oil picking on poor helpless Somali man, shooting him down, leaving his five wives with 30 kids and no father.   Death to America!  (not that Shell is American, but they'd blame America anyway).

            That's why the oil companies are not already doing this.  Nobody gives a damn about a pirate's dead body but it's awful publicity only fixed by paying out big checks to the surviving family members.    

            Shell can choose to do it that way and look like jerks for killing "innocent fishermen" (yeah right) and right some checks, or Shell can just pay the pirates and look like a poor company getting screwed.    Most companies choose the latter.  They end up writing the same checks but they look better in the media.

              #4.2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:53 PM EST
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              sikider

              With all the ships being taken and insurance going through the roof for these shipping companies

              I have a feeling BlackWater or some other "retired" troops will be riding shotgun in the near future.

              Since the pirates don't seem to have much more than RPG's and AK47's a few guys with long range Javelin shoulder fired missiles could make the pirates think twice. Every ship would then be a risk not knowing which held the unpleasant surprise. 

              If they fight back even the pirates know a burning ship is worth nothing in ransom. The companies want every one and everything back in one piece. 

              The indian navy sinking of the mother ship is a nice start to "sending the message".  

                Reply#5 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:05 PM EST
                flufly

                Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!I agree a brilliant piece of work from Jolly Roger!!!A great friend of mine is Captain to many cargo ships all over the world but travels mainly in India,Somalia and other pirate infested waters.

                The last time I heard from him was the beginning of Oct. he was on his way to India to catch a ship but only this time not as a Capt. but a superintenent. Inspecting the ship from top to bottom etc. I got one e-mail and nothing else. I fear he could be on one of the ships that have been captured by these spineless,low-life freaks!!

                If anyone has any info on how to get a list of the many captured ships could you please share it? Thank you!

                  Reply#6 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:10 PM EST
                  Bill Gillespie-403231

                  These "pirates" would do well to reflect upon the first lines of the Marine Hymn.

                    Reply#7 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:20 PM EST
                    Ed-734847

                    Kill'em. (The Pirate's) 'Nuff said.

                      Reply#8 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:12 PM EST
                      ChrisMcK

                      Arrrrrrr mateys!  The ships will have to be armed to repel boarders.  Keel-haul the scurvy lot of 'em!

                        Reply#9 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:46 PM EST
                        CJ Roach

                        YES great letter by Jolly Rodger!

                        I agree that Blackwater and other individual groups are needed now more then ever. We as a society need to think about the ransoms being paid here. These companies are surely going to pass along the expense to Joe Public. As if the oil companies don't already make enough money now we have to support Pirates too?

                          Reply#10 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:48 PM EST
                          j.s.mall

                          he'll get the money from the insurance scam(king will that is), plus he'll pay them 50 million to get the oil back with the tanker..... therefore he gets the oil back, plus the money from the insurance company for the theft and he can pay them off half of what they expect.

                          It's a very simple insurance scam taken to the limit..... besides, he can always get them hunted and killed a little later...no?

                          friggin uneducated ppl, gov'ts keeping their populace stupid and poor is starting to bite back....ah well..... go Habs!!!

                            Reply#11 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:18 PM EST
                            M-380091

                            "amire their gusto"...what a dumbass.  About as much gusto as a bird landing on a high wire.  It might be impossible for you, but that doesn't make it anything special.  These are a bunch of half-wit skinnies that had no clue what they were doing or cared.  They're a bunch of murdering terrorists.  Hopefully the idiotic UN or other maritime lords will make it possible for ships to protect themselves or be allowed to hire someone to do it for them.  Contractors could warn and/or perforate the POSs when they get within a mile.  Admire. Idiot.

                              Reply#12 - Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:36 PM EST
                              Just Wondering-736617

                              Where were you people when other countries were looting the Somali coast of its fish?

                                Reply#13 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:09 PM EST
                                Just Wondering-736617

                                Where were you people when other countries were looting the Somali coast of its fish?

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                                Reply#14 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:33 PM EST
                                flufly

                                Hey "Just Wondering" I"m wondering where your "head's" at asking such a dumbass question. Looting fish is hardly a fair trade for human life,oil and weapons!!!! There's plenty of fish in the sea...as they say but how the hell do you replace a human life??? When you figure it out let me know....God!

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                                #14.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:50 PM EST
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                                MrCerebellum

                                Who is going to hire the ninjas to combat them?  It's been a cultural dream of millions to have epic battles between ninjas and pirates!

                                  Reply#15 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:32 PM EST
                                  flufly

                                  I'd like to know why our ships whether they are foreign or domestic aren't armed to fight off these guys?? why are merchant ships any different than our military??? Afterall they are military .....Merchant "marines". if they cannot get cargo to where it's needed we're all in trouble! Right?

                                    Reply#16 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:56 PM EST
                                    kikaiju

                                    The ships are not already armed because international laws, as well as local laws, mostly prohibit weapons.  What is legal to carry in one country is highly illegal in many others.   Weapons permits and license generally do not carry any power away from the issuing authority.

                                    Weapons enforcement varies but armed crews would be arrested in many countries, regardless of the reason the crew was armed.   Some ships carry significant non-lethal defense because it's the best they can do without breaking laws. 

                                    Military ships are a totally different story.  Cargo ships are not military.  

                                    Somalia has nobody to enforce laws and arrest tanker crews with guns, true.  The problem is the tanker isn't just staying in Somalia.  It has to travel from port to port to port and cross multiple sea borders.  The ships have to worry about all the laws along the way and legally carrying weapons on such a trip would be impossible.  Illegally carrying is another matter.

                                      #16.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:06 PM EST
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                                      flufly

                                      I'd like to know why our ships whether they are foreign or domestic aren't armed to fight off these guys?? why are merchant ships any different than our military??? Afterall they are military .....Merchant "marines". if they cannot get cargo to where it's needed we're all in trouble! Right?

                                        Reply#17 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:57 PM EST
                                        SolarDude

                                        It looks like India is prepared to "test the waters" with an emerging navy that is taking on a role to extend their reach from the Indian coastal waters out into international waters.  They really want to enhance their status on the world stage.  How will the flexing of the Indian Navy's muscle play out in the Somali piracy story?  Stay tuned...

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                                        Reply#18 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:21 PM EST
                                        SolarDude

                                        In a historical perspective, this story reminds me of the rise of airline hijackings.  It took a few years, but it led to armed Air Marshalls flying on commercial airlines, stronger cabin doors to protect the pilots, and other deterrents.  Expensive cargoes will warrant more extreme protection measures.  As a sailing cruiser, I worry more about the smaller craft.

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                                        Reply#19 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:30 PM EST
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